Liz Anya

I recently had the opportunity to interview Liz Anya. Based out of Columbia, Missouri, she is a country queen who meets a pop diva. Doing many looks from Britney Spears to country realness. Doing drag in a college town gives her an audience that is always ready to hype her up, and she is ready to give you a show.

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Liz giving real woman in the streets of downtown CoMo
Liz and her drag sister, Lorilie.
Liz and the skinniest queen known to humankind, Trixie Mattel.

I recently had the opportunity to Interview drag queen Liz Anya. Liz, also known as Anthony Brown out of drag, is a performer based in Columbia, Missouri. She is a country queen meets a pop diva. During our interview, I asked her what she believes the purpose of drag is and she had this to say:

Liz Anya: I think Peppermint said it on her season she called drag queens the gatekeepers and the forerunners and the storytellers of the gay community. And Pride is really important to me so I always sort of think that we are sort of the pioneers and the first line of the LGBT community. I’m very passionate about pride and inclusivity and stuff like that and making sure everyone’s voices are heard. In order to sort of make sure everyone’s voices are heard I have to yell the loudest. Do you know what I mean does that make sense?

Ian Hafley: Yeah!

Liz Anya: I always try to make sure that I will speak up for someone else cause I have the loudest voice in the room and people will listen to me first before they might listen to someone else.

Knowing that you have privilege and accepting it is really important especially when we are dealing with marginalized communities in America. Being a drag queen means being an ally to more than just the gay community, it means being an ally to everyone.


Ian Hafley: When did you first hear about drag and what was your first reaction to it? 

Liz Anya: I first heard about drag … I feel like … I don’t know I can’t really remember honestly! My sister her gay best friend, she doesn’t like to say that but I like to because it’s funny, was roommates with my eventual drag mom and I would go to their house parties a lot. And, my drag mom Veronica like just started. She would just like to get blackout drunk and all of a sudden just disappear in her room for like 10 to 15 minutes and then come out dressed in like a wig and heels and a dress and that’s it. Then I found out she had just started doing drag and I think that was about the time when a lot of those seasons of drag race were on Hulu. So I think I had just watched season 6 and that was the first season I really liked. And then by like season 7 or 8, I had gone to a few shows with Veronica and so I was like oh I can fucking do this! I feel like I am kinda funny, I can’t sing but I can pretend to sing, I can like dance in the club so like I’ll just like put on a pair of heels and a wig and do what I can do. So that was sort of was my first exposure to it. My counter-reaction to it was like obviously its like difficult but I was like “this seems doable like I could probably do it.” 

Ian Hafley: That’s cool! I’ve never heard anyone describe it as like “I can do that!” 

When did you start performing and why did you start performing? 

Liz Anya: My first performance was I think in like August of what would it be like 2018? No, oh my god 2017. Yea 2017 … no wait, yes 2017. Oh my god yes, I’m so sorry. Yeah, it was probably in august 2017, and I started performing because, like I said, I enjoy like dancing, I never did theater but I think I would be a theater gay if I had the exposure. yeah, I just thought it looked like a lot of fun. And yeah I just it seemed like what I was sorta meant to do so I was like “yeah let me do this real quick.” 

Ian Hafley: That’s interesting! How did your like family, friends, and other loved ones react to you becoming a drag artist? 

Liz Anya: Most of my friends were like really okay with it. My family is super cool with it, they have like came to my show like my mom and dad have. Just because my parents are like 60 and 70 years old they think in their mind that I’m like a crossdresser. So I think it’s a little weird for them so I don’t think they are telling the world I’m a drag queen by any means but, they are super okay with it. Like I said, they come to my shows when they can and I usually have like Thursday night shows and they are real adults with real jobs so they can’t come on weeknights. But, if I have a Friday or Saturday night show they’ll try to come. But like yeah, it was like a pretty like “oh okay” like whenever I came out or started doing drag they were like “oh that makes sense.”

Ian Hafley: Yeah my parents were like the same way when I came out to them they were like “okay!” 

Liz Anya: Yeah my mom was like “yeah I’ve known since you were three, love you!” And I was like okay cool like I guess that’s good! 

Ian Hafley: I asked my mom one time “did you always know?” and she was like “yeah” and I was like “okay.” 

Liz Anya: Haha like okay cool perfect! 

Ian Hafley: So there are a lot of like different styles of drag from like being a queen to like a drag king and then from being just a male impersonator to like a comedy queen and all those different types. Is there a particular label that you categorize your drag with and what kind of drag do you do like, what is your style? 

Liz Anya: I would say that, I would argue that I’m a campy queen just because I know I don’t look like a real woman like I’m very aware I’m not trying I don’t think ill ever look that convincing. So, sort of to like react to that I sort of just like, I just to love to walk around the crowd and get in your face in like a funny way, I love to just like messing with people. And so I’m definitely like a high-energy performer like a comedy queen I’ve hosted a couple of my own shows and I kinda treat it like stand up, open mic night. And yeah I’ve like recently well not really recently, but one of my first shows I found this like vintage-like cow print skirt at like a thrift store in town, in Columbia, and I wore it and I was like “well what else do you do in a cow print skirt besides the Dixie Chicks?” So I did a dixie chicks number for one of my first shows and everyone called me a country bumpkin they made fun of me cause I’m from a small town. And that was like a couple years ago when like the yee-haw renaissance was kinda coming back in like pop culture and stuff. And so I just sorta leaned into it because I do enjoy country music so I was like “oh yeah! I’m a country queen!” I think my Instagram bio says like “country queen meets pop diva” cause I mean Beyonce, Lady Gaga are my number ones, always will be. But, yeah a lot of people have always come to expect like some Shania or Dixie Chicks or something at one of my shows. 

Ian Hafley: I love a good female country song. I can always get down. 

Liz Anya: 100%. 

Ian Hafley: Does your type of drag you do affect your life as an artist in any way? 

Liz Anya: Not really! I don’t really like… I would say that since doing drag has become a lot gayer since starting. And I just become a lot more comfortable with… like when I’m in drag as Liz I’m like “oh I am so out of control, blah blah blah like, I’m a good time. Like, I like, I kinda this think to myself I’m not like clueless, so whenever I like am out of drag and I’m like going to work, right now I work at Andy’s Frozen Custard. So whenever I go to work I like am like “oh I’m still Liz I’m just not like in a wig. So it’s like, and I’m not gonna like be up in anybody’s face about it but I’m like still like pretty flamboyant I’m pretty… I’m still pretty gay my customer service voice sounds like a woman so… unfortunately it outs me every time. But yeah but like since I only do drag like once or twice… maybe three times a month now like I feel like… what did I say the other day…I said something about like I’m like Liz 1 or 2 nights a month but I’m like Anthony the rest of the time but like there is not really a big of a divide between the two. So yeah like I’m still like pretty out of control as a boy but… hahaha. 

Ian Hafley: I get that my customer service voice is so peppy like…

Liz Anya: It’s so embarrassing.

Ian Hafley: So embarrassing. Like every time like somebody else at work hears me they’re like “what?” And I’m like “what!” 

Liz Anya: I feel like if I didn’t have like facial hair with like, cause I usually have my hair like in like a bun and stuff people probably like think I’m a like woman or something… like they have to think I’m a girl or like not all the way there. You know what I mean?? 

Ian Hafley: Yup. I completely get that. Do you have like any influence like from your drag? Like any people or like things in particular? 

Liz Anya: Yeah kinda! so there… like… like the old school drag that’s like there like pageant based. And that’s sort of where a lot of the like… like fringe costume and rhinestones blah blah blah. So, like if it’s like old school drag means like big hair out to here, like a fringe leotard that’s like rhinestoned to shit and its like… so I really do. And like my drag mom, she’s like heavily involved in pageantry. So that’s like a kinda a really big influence on me just like cause it’s like always there. But I always like try to take inspiration from other things so I always like to recreate a lot of like, if I can, looks like popstars have done on tour so I’ve recreated a couple of like Lady Gaga looks. Orvill Peck, he had a music video in the background this one girl is wearing like cow print chaps and like a orange like silky-looking leotard with like a cape so I made that. And I was really looking forward to that look. But yeah and then like my drag mom started doing Trixie-inspired makeup like Trixie Mattel. So she had her like eyebrows up to here blue eyeshadow all the way up to here and she then she kinda refined that and that’s what she looks like now. And so whenever she was teaching me how to do makeup she was still sort of like in the middle, like the middle ground, so I pretty much do what she does but she doesn’t really use color anymore. So I just like I almost like always do like colored eyeshadow like I love to wear blue eyeshadow, I don’t know why. And I usually do like pink or if I’m like spooky I do like green.

Ian Hafley: So you mentioned you drag mother, are you a part of like a big family or is it just like you and your mother? Like how does it work for you? 

Liz Anya: I would say we’re like a pretty big family especially for like Columbia, Missouri. We so…luckily I don’t have a daughter I don’t think I’m ever gonna have one. I don’t know who would wanna look like this but… I have a drag mom and then okay so it’s kinda confusing because there’s a lot of weird layers but. Okay so, I have, so there’s me, my drag mom Veronica then her drag mom Jennica. She lives in Jefferson City which is like 30 minutes away from Columbia. And she is like the dancing diva of Columbia drag she is one of the best, I think honestly one of the best like performers I’ve ever seen. And so, her drag mom she like lives in Moberly I think which is a small town near here and then her drag mom lives in St. Louis. I’ve only met her once I like didn’t know she existed she came to like a Legends of Missouri drag show in Columbia once. And so, yeah and I could like keep going if I knew anyone past there but like allegedly you can trace my family lineage back to like the Andrews family that Roxxxy Andrews is a member of. I don’t really believe that but it’s fine. Because like back in the day like before social media in like the 80s and 90s, there was like drag was still like pretty underground so like that’s just sort of how you kinda like got into it was you just joined a drag family. And so, in Cape Girardeau and like Carbondale Illinois there’s like some like old school drag that goes on there and like that’s where a lot of like big names come from like Alexis Mateo, her drag mom is either from Carbondale or Cape Girardeau. Anyway, that wasn’t really your question sorry I go on a tangent. So, my drag family, they’re pretty big in Columbia. So Veronica, and then Lisa DeLorenta there like sisters cause they have the same drag mom. But I live with Lisa, were roommates, and then Veronica’s other drag daughter Lorilie were like really good friends we started at like the same time. And then my drag mom recently adopted someone else recently her name is Bennifer Lopez. So like we pretty much hang out almost all the time cause me and Lisa live together then Veronica and Lorilie live together so we always go to each other’s houses. And we, there’s probably like three or four main drag families in Columbia but, there like a lot more drag people. But, so were like I would argue one of the more prominent ones just because you can kinda like tell we really love what we do. SO yeah it’s pretty big but it’s no like Iman dynasty by any means. 

Ian Hafley: I like, I grew up in Columbia I was born and raised there. And like I moved away before I learned about drag and all that stuff and it’s just interesting to hear about it now like hearing that there is a whole drag thing happening there. It’s just cause like I never thought it was the town for that stuff. But it actually is and I realize that now that I’m older. 

Liz Anya: Yeah I just went to Sephora to get some more makeup and I basically was just like “yeah I’m a drag queen so it doesn’t have to look good it just has to be dark.” And all the girls were like “Gasp! Oh my god, you’re a drag queen! Blah blah blah!” I think they had all just moved from Kansas City or St. Louis so they were like “I figured Columbia was so small and didn’t have a drag scene blah blah blah.” And I was like “oh no, I am the drag scene” I’m just kidding. But yeah, no one ever really expects it. 

Ian Hafley: Yeah that’s…surprising but like good! 

Liz Anya: Yeah right? Exactly!

Ian Hafley: What goes into getting ready for a performance for you? 

Liz Anya: Usually I have to work the same day so it’s like usually I get off work around 5. Then I usually like shave, and then I like take a shower, and then I hope to be done with that by like 6:30-7. Cause I like to like be up and around and take my time. And then if I like sit down I try to give myself like an hour and a half to like two hours to do my makeup. And then after that it’s, and I’m usually like listening to music the whole time, and then I’m usually in the same show as Lisa so we sort of like play music on the TV or something just to like fill the whole house with music and stuff. Then I’ll like get in body ill put my pads and stuff like that on and then were usually done by then. I’ll put on my like finishing touches like lashes and a wig and stuff like that. Then I’m usually good to go, I’ll like drive in my big wig and heels so I mean…

Ian Hafley: Good. What’s like the biggest challenge of doing drag and being a drag artist? 

Liz Anya: I would say right now it’s definitely COVID. It’s just been, cause we were supposed to have this big drag bar open last year after Union closed, and then just because of COVID it kept getting slowed down and now it’s been like a year since union closed but now it’s probably going to be a year of when the new bar was supposed to open. So it’s probably gonna open in late summer like this year and it was supposed to open late summer last year. So that definitely been an issue and then also just because of COVID we haven’t been able to have really big crowds which is obviously fine. So it’s just been difficult to sort of cause like at one of our last shows that got sold out in like 10 minutes because of like the lower capacity and I think my drag mom said she had to like turn away like 40 people. So like to me, I’m such a nice person and I’m like “oh I feel bad they couldn’t come! Oh my god!” and so like in my mind I’m like “oh well not everyone gets to see what we have to offer right now.” So that’s a little annoying. Also, just everyone expects you to want to be on Drag Race, and that’s a little frustrating. Like, I’m down to go on Drag Race I think I’d be pretty okay at it, but they see all these drag queens on TV who have a buttload of money and they see me in like my little stretch velvet dress that I made myself the day of. Like they get that I’m not like there yet, but it’s just frustrating that you can tell that they sort of expect more which is a little frustrating. I’d say that’s honestly about it. 

Ian Hafley: Yeah because of like Drag Race they’ve expected like bigger budgets.

Liz Anya: Oh 100% yeah. And I get paid maybe 25 dollars a show. Like yeah, ill definitely be able to buy that 400 dollar wig you want me to wear.

Ian Hafley: Yeah they don’t…there’s the disconnect between like the famous drag queen and the local drag queen.

Liz Anya: For sure. For sure. 

Ian Hafley: Is there anything unique about doing drag in Columbia than other places? 

Liz Anya: I don’t know! I think just cause we’re a college town it’s sort of like we’ll always have like a new crowd every four years. And… I mean yeah like just because we don’t have like huge like… nobody is ever really able to become a full-time drag queen in Columbia just cause we don’t like even when Union was open or SoCo before that, which was pretty successful, there’s no way you can. So I mean, nobody has ever gonna be able to sort of be built up to that level which kind of sucks but I mean that just means we sort of appreciate what we have and we hustle extra hard just to make sure that we can compete. With like big city queens like St. Louis and Kansas City. Yeah, I mean… I wouldn’t say there’s like a challenge but it’s definitely like since we are so close-knit, like we are, there’s a lot of fighting going on right now sort of in the drag community in Columbia. But we will always like have each other’s backs so that’s always good since we are kind of tight-knit. 

Ian Hafley: So like, is most of your crowd that comes out like college students? 

Liz Anya: Oh for sure. Yeah especially now that we’ve been able to perform downtown again. It’s been a lot more… it’ll be like the regulars that come to Union and stuff so they’ll be like a few of our friends that we know, but it’s mostly like straight girls honestly. 

Ian Hafley: When you are in and out of drag, what pronouns do you use? Do you change it or do they stay the same? 

Liz Anya: Yeah, I change it. Out of drag, I’m he/him, and in drag I’m she/her but I really like don’t care if people call me either one in drag. A lot of my drag family if I’m like  “you’re just a man!” they get offended if we’re hanging out on the couch on like a Tuesday. They’re like “I’m a woman!” But, they’re not really. They’re completely a boy outside of drag. But yeah, so if someone calls me a man in drag ill be like “yeah your right” And if someone calls me she/her out of drag I’m like “yeah your right girl! Let’s do it!” So it really doesn’t bother me at all.

Ian Hafley: Yeah, that’s a good way to see it too. Just like whatever! 

Liz Anya: Yeah like I’m a boy and then sometimes a boy in a wig so call me whatever you wanna call me! 

Ian Hafley: Has drag influenced your sex and gender identities at all? 

Liz Anya: Probably yeah! Just because I am more comfortable. I really don’t think I’ll ever want to transition or anything like that. I don’t think I’ll ever be in that position. Yeah I mean like I said I don’t care if someone calls me a girl I’m like “oh yeah! Cool!” I mean yeah, I’ll always be like a man but I`m definitely more comfortable with everything now. Like the Kinsey scale, I’m definitely okay leaning more towards the female side now. Yeah, it really doesn’t bother me at all. 

Ian Hafley: Has drag influenced how you think about gender overall?

Liz Anya: Definitely because I know a lot of people who have started drag and then they’ll realize that they are non-binary maybe they do wanna transition and stuff. So I mean it’s definitely open my eyes to… and I’ve even experienced it as well I’m like “oh well what is a boy and what is a girl?” So it’s like… literally who cares. So I know plenty of people who are non-binary and like still perform as a girl in drag. Yeah, it’s definitely changed my outlook on it for sure. 

Ian Hafley: Interesting. Have your sex and gender identities influenced your drag in any way? 

Liz Anya: Not really. Liz is definitely female-presenting. I mean I’ll do like a boy song and stuff like that and some people don’t like that cause it’s…a lot of people don’t like when female drag queens do boy songs. Like I did a Journey song a couple weeks ago and I did a Bon Jovi song. Cause it’s like what’s the point? I’m still a boy dressed as a girl so it doesn’t really matter. So yeah, I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s… I wouldn’t say I influenced it but like, Liz has influenced me so I mean…

Ian Hafley: Interesting! Has drag impacted your confidence as a person when you’re out of drag? 

Liz Anya: Oh definitely! I mean I’ve always been a fairly confident person, I don’t get embarrassed easily so I think that’s sort of why I can do drag. Cause I’m like ill go on stage and be like “somebody, somewhere is gonna like it.” So, it’s affected my confidence just because whenever I sort of walk anywhere all of drag family is there, I always hang out with Lisa, Loralie, and Veronica there so like “Liz just walks with her chest out everywhere! She just struts everywhere! Blah blah blah!” I’m like “okay so why don’t you?” I mean. cause we’re all super confident out of drag but out of drag I would argue they’re not the most confident. But I’m kind of the opposite. I always feel like a little less confident in drag cause I feel like I still have a lot to learn I’m not really offering everything that I know yet. Do you know what I mean? But out of drag, I’m like “what are you gonna do about it? Like oh my god!” If someone’s gonna hit me because I’m not scared of getting gay-bashed. I’ll try to beat them up back like nothings gonna happen. But if you walk in with a purpose, no one is gonna mess with you. So that’s just what I do, I strut in the grocery store so nobody steps to me! I don’t think it will ever happen, but if you just go around not very confident just scared of the world something might happen to you then… I don’t know where I’m going with that one but oh well! 

Ian Hafley: I mean I understand where you were going that made sense! 

Liz Anya: Okay cool cool cool! 

Ian Hafley: Okay now the next question is the classic final three question from drag race! If you could go back in time as Liz, what advice would Liz give to your younger self? 

Liz Anya: I don’t know! Probably the basic it’s gonna get better. Everyone already knows. Honestly, I wish I would have come out in high school. So I’d probably just tell younger Anthony to just come out already cause honestly, everyone already knows. I wish I was like a better dancer so maybe I would tell myself to enroll literally enroll in a dance class, even though there weren’t any good dance classes in Booneville. But I would just encourage myself to come out more and embrace my more artistic side for sure. Just because I feel like that could really helo my drag now. 

Ian Hafley: Interesting! Take a dance class that’s funny! I always say that to myself I say “you could have been better!” I look like an idiot every time I dance but whatever. Have any of your social identities impacted your experience of drag in any way? Any social identities that you have like gender, race, class, religion, sexuality, disability, geography, location, any of that stuff. Has that impacted your drag at all? 

Liz Anya: I would argue that, like I said being from a small town so I do love country music. I don’t love but I like it cause my mom listened to it a lot while I was growing up and that’s what was all around me. So definitely being from a small town has affected my drag and I’m very okay with doing country numbers and looking up kinda country stuff and just… and I can like see and appreciate where they are coming from you know what I mean? I always told my sister whenever I first started yeah being a mediocre white gay I had a good amount of friends so a lot of people would come to see my shows at first. That honestly always helped, but I’m aware of it I’m aware of my privilege it’s fine. Being a cis-gendered white gay person has definitely helped. Being from a small town has definitely shaped…honestly my entire drag aesthetic so I’m always thankful for that. I think that’s probably it honestly. I’m trying to remember all the words you said. 

Ian Hafley: Oh a lot of them were probably just like extra filler. It’s fine that was a good answer.

Liz Anya: Oh thank god!

Ian Hafley: Hahaha! There’s only like 6 more questions so we’re almost done! 

Liz Anya: Oh yeah you’re good you’re fine! 

Ian Hafley: How do you define drag personally? 

Liz Anya: Personally, Liz’s personal drag is definitely female-presenting, always pretty cooky but like overall drag is whatever you want it to be. I really do think that like my little sister, Bennifer, she does, or my drag grandma she does bearded drag and she started out not doing bearded drag but she loves to be different. She’s like “what gonna make me different? Okay!” So she’s like grew a big old beard and started doing bearded drag all the time. Then I guess my little sister, she definitely they/them drag like boy out of drag but they/them in drag sort of thing. She definitely wears like she keeps her beard on, she doesn’t really wear pads or anything she’ll have like her hairy boy legs out and a pair of fishnets. Definitely sort of non-binary … androgyny! That’s the more appropriate word I guess. Androgyny, androgynously inspired? I don’t know if that’s a real word but oh well. Literally, do whatever you wanna do. Just make sure it’s good honestly!

Ian Hafley: What do you think the purpose of drag is? 

Liz Anya: I think Peppermint said it on her season she called drag queens the gatekeepers and the forerunners and the storytellers of the gay community. And Pride is really important to me so I always sort of think that we are sort of the pioneers and the first line of the LGBT community. I’m very passionate about pride and inclusivity and stuff like that and making sure everyone’s voices are heard. In order to sort of make sure everyone’s voices are heard I have to yell the loudest. Do you know what I mean does that make sense?

Ian Hafley: Yeah!

Liz Anya: I always try to make sure that I will speak up for someone else cause I have the loudest voice in the room and people will listen to me first before they might listen to someone else.

Ian Hafley: So that was a really good statement! So basically what you mean by that is because you have this privilege as a white, cis-gendered man you wanna speak louder for minorities who cant who won’t be as heard as loudly by others? 

Liz Anya: Exactly.

Ian Hafley: I like that! That was really good! Do you think drag is sexual at all? Why or why not? 

Liz Anya: I don’t think my drag is. I think drag can be but, I don’t think I’m a very sexy person in or out of drag so I’m like… that’s kinda why I do get self-conscious in drag sometimes cause I know I’m not very pretty. So I think me wearing a bunch of tights I’m trying to pull over my waist cause I’m kinda squishy sometimes. I don’t think I’m sexy in drag at all, but if you wanna do it you can! I don’t think…everyone always assumes that I’m down to clown but I am in fact, not. I think that people generally think that is but I really don’t think it is inherently sexual. 

Ian Hafley: Interesting! I can see that. Cause some people they make it very much their aesthetic to be pretty woman, I’m a stripper woman. It’s just interesting to see different styles and how it all plays out. How do you feel about RuPaul’s Drag Race as a show? 


Liz Anya: I think it’s great television I think it’s so fun. I do get inspired by them a lot as well. I do see the pros and cons obviously. Like RuPaul is semi problematic sometimes, some of the queens he casts are problematic sometimes definitely. But it really is just a great way to sort of showcase drag as an art form, cause I think a lot of people don’t see it that way until they do watch drag race. I think they do think it’s a bunch of cross-dressing sex workers out on the prowl blah blah blah. But I don’t think a lot of people see it as a real, formidable sort of art form and possible career. The drama is great so it’s always a good time. 

Ian Hafley: Yeah it’s so entertaining but there are so many things like little one-liners or like something like that. 

Liz Anya: I got my mom obsessed with it I think during all-stars 5? I watched it in front of my mom once and the next week she texted me she said: “oh my god Anthony I’m obsessed with Drag Race I’m watching it again!” And I think she started watching season 13 too I was like “Oh!” She just randomly texted me while it was on she said “I can’t understand a word Kandy Muse is saying!” I was like oh my god. 

Ian Hafley: If you could change one thing about drag, the drag community, or the drag scene, what would it be and why? 

Liz Anya: This is sort of….hmm. I don’t know, I mean obviously, it can be pretty competitive, and kinda see ya next Tuesday-ish. So I don’t know if I’m allowed to say that word on a school project but, I think if everyone would just be a little nicer! And I’m sure if you ask someone I’m not the nicest, I try to be, I always try to be super nice to everyone. But, since there is a big sort of drag feud in Columbia right now, people might not agree with that statement but oh well. But definitely if we sort of tried to be nicer to everyone and try to uplift everyone that would definitely be a better situation for everyone. Because, in the beginning, you sort of do get .. you’re not gonna look good your first time in drag. It’s a God-given fact, everyone is gonna look awful. But, there’s a better way to tell a baby queen that they don’t look good than just being like wow fuck off you look terrible, you know what I mean? I think if we gave more constructive criticism than just tearing new queens down. Cause that’s why a lot of people don’t make it because people are just so mean to them in the beginning that they just don’t wanna do it anymore. 

Ian Hafley: That’s why I’ve never really tried to do drag before because gay men terrify me. 

Liz Anya: Hahaha!!

Ian Hafley: What do you think are some misconceptions people have about drag, and where do they come from? 

Liz Anya: Definity like I said people think that like I’m a cross-dressing sex worker which is not the case at all. I think just because so many trans women need to turn to sex work just to make a living I think that’s where that stems from. I wish that wasn’t the case obviously but. There’s this guy in town who trying to make moves at me and I’m always very uncomfortable. Just because, I am not gonna look good once I take all this off you know what I mean? Like I am gonna be a sweaty greasy mess and my hair is gonna be glued down like you don’t wanna see that. People do think it is inherently sexual and I think that’s an issue just because that is a potentially dangerous situation for a drag queen to be in. If me, a cis man, all of a sudden is trying to get with me is a scary situation for everyone involved. I think…I’m a very nice person in and out of drag I think another misconception is that we’re all so rude and … I mean my drag mom sort of paints a um… standoffish way and so I think people think that she’s just a raging bitch, which is not always the case. I think people need to sort of realizing that we are nice people! We are still nice people under all that makeup! 

Ian Hafley: They said the same thing about Pearl on season 7.

Liz Anya: Right!

Ian Hafley: They said she painted a bitch face! If you chose one thing you want everyone to know about drag, or learn about drag, what would it be? 

Liz Anya: It’s not as easy as it looks. Like, I like to think I’m making it look effortless but, it’s hard! it really is! I think Miz Cracker said one time that like a standing drag queen is actively doing more than someone walking down the street, like sprinting going on a run, or something. I am actively doing more than you are you know what I mean? So it’s like really hard! Just like support local drag! It’s easy to sit down on your couch and watch it on your TV or on YouTube or blah blah blah. But, obviously, it’s a pandemic so don’t go out that much but, pre/post-pandemic, go out and watch it in person! It’s so much fun, it really is so much fun. 

Ian Hafley: It is. I’ve only been to one drag show. My entire life. I know, which is really sad I know. And I wanted to start going to more but then the world ended! 

Liz Anya: It happens!

Ian Hafley: Now I don’t do anything! 

Liz Anya: Yeah. Very fair. If I’m not doing drag I literally don’t do anything either so it’s like…

Ian Hafley: Okay that was all the questions I had so the interview is over! So thank you so much for that, that was really good!

Liz Anya: Of course, yeah! 

Ian Hafley: I don’t think I need anything else from you. If I do I’ll just text you or something about it.

Liz Anya: Cool, perfect! 

Ian Hafley: Okay we’re done, thank you so much!

Liz Anya: Okay cool, Bye!

Ian Hafley: Bye!

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